David Holmgren is co-originator (with Bill Mollison) of the permaculture concept and author of the recent book, PERMACULTURE: Principles and Pathways Beyond Sustainability. He talks about the need to move beyond the lulling hope that ‘green tech’ breakthroughs will allow world-wide ’sustainable consumption’ to the recognition that dwindling oil supplies inevitably mean a mandatory ‘energy descent’ for human civilization across the planet. He argues that permaculture principles provide the best guide to a peaceful societal ‘powering down.”
http://www.holmgren.com.au/html/Publications/Principles.html
Duration : 0:25:27
[youtube OFjFG24BeX8]
October 29th, 2009 at 3:03 am
start teaching …
start teaching permaculture now and no one will starve!
October 29th, 2009 at 3:03 am
great going. please …
great going. please check out my video its about changing our world at the greatest point we need to act now please also leave a comment of ideas of your own we really need to start thinking!!!
October 29th, 2009 at 3:03 am
Water and food used …
Water and food used to be free and healthy and clean, remember?! Sanitation done right, is a compost toilet DUH. Medicine is trickier, though you may have heard of things like being able to reset bones in the ancient world, and they had medicines for more than what we do. Without side-effects caused by their being un-natural.
October 29th, 2009 at 3:03 am
Perhaps you should …
Perhaps you should do what I did, read up on what proper societies actually work like, realise the one we’re meant to think of as any use, is actually a pile of 4th rate crapola that hasn’t ever, ever been designed the way that any centralised-services-anything should be designed like, you utter twat. The do some courses or whatever and see for yourself how proper stuff is done. ‘the world can’t survive’ funny how it survived peachy for hundreds of thousands of years before centralised services
October 29th, 2009 at 3:03 am
Do you eat *any* …
Do you eat *any* food other than that which you grow or hunt? Do you benefit from modern medicine? Sanitation? Clean drinking water? Do you use or benefit from anything else produced by modern industry? Look hard around your home.
It ALL takes energy. Perhaps you should go spend some time in a third world country where people do not have access to it. Look at how they *really* live.
The world cannot support our current population without energy. 90% will starve or otherwise die without it.
October 29th, 2009 at 3:03 am
Oh yeah, those …
Oh yeah, those people that want a sane reality that is actually suited to a planet with biology on it, of this size, they must be the evil ones. you are mad. Plus, why is the comment that was in reply to marked as ’spam’ when it has a +1 rating?
October 29th, 2009 at 3:03 am
Creatures not …
Creatures not creates.
October 29th, 2009 at 3:03 am
Quite simply it …
Quite simply it seems the earth is our mother and all the creates that inhabit it are family just need to treat them with respect.
October 29th, 2009 at 3:03 am
Read the sidebar. …
Read the sidebar. The true agenda of the PowerDowners running this organizations is revealed
October 29th, 2009 at 3:03 am
14:30 – the …
14:30 – the correlation with nature is extremely insightful.
October 29th, 2009 at 3:03 am
A more business …
A more business side and explanation that ties peak oil and economy together, google “crash course”.
It’s a problem of ever expanding growth beyond what fixed fuels and minerals can support. You can always cry and whine that they hide the oil, coal, fuel, resources, but the fact is exponential growth of populations cannot continue.
He has a good and noble goal, if we all operated out of love and co-operated. Competition = expansion. Good intentioned evolutions = pie in sky dreams.
October 29th, 2009 at 3:03 am
excelent, what a …
excelent, what a visionary and gentle, positive man. I am working on developing the same discourse in spanish, and planning to make this kind of expository video for the spanish speaking community in the world….this is an ideal model. thank you.
October 29th, 2009 at 3:03 am
we are living in …
we are living in the dark ages. watch the BBC documentary ‘a farm for the future’ to understand why.
pay particular attention to when they mention crop yields of permaculture farming (hint, they are high, especially when in the light of it’s energy input which is close to 0). there is a possible future for humankind but it will require a massive cultural shift. the documentary is on google video in full. good luck
October 29th, 2009 at 3:03 am
Excellent video …
Excellent video with an excellent guest! David Holmgren is very insightful. With peak oil (pretty much now), we’ll have an economic collapse, I’m sure of it! Come check the videos from the Montreal Permaculture Guild!
October 29th, 2009 at 3:03 am
peak oil is …
peak oil is absolutely 100% unavoidable, anybody who says otherwise is living in lala-land. the only argument with peak oil is when it will or has already happened.
October 29th, 2009 at 3:03 am
who cares about …
who cares about peak oil, global warming tax. the whole point is to be as independent as possible from government and corporations. We should get off oil and we should stop polluting the planet. We have the power to do it ourselves
October 29th, 2009 at 3:03 am
you know I am …
you know I am walking on new ground for me and maybe I got ahead of my self. I want to learn from all you. I currently don’t worry about real end of resource peak oil in light sweet crude it does exist we need to extract it, the oil companies are not to blame. I think we really need to be against a carbon tax regulatory system. I hope I am not swimming up stream with the “Co2 global warming tax” is a trap and the science says it was the sun.
October 29th, 2009 at 3:03 am
I do understand …
I do understand what you are saying about corporate manipulation but I also feel that there will come a time when we have to face living without oil and even if that time were 100 years away, I would like to pass on living skills and solutions to the next generation. With economic crashes happening, manipulated or otherwise, survival skills are a good idea. We need to know how to respond, instead of panicing when the hits the fan.
October 29th, 2009 at 3:03 am
Hewe, myth or not, …
Hewe, myth or not, how about we think about reducing air pollution just as a quality of life issue? Did we evolve with smog or did we evolve with clean air? The latter being true, then I would rather live a life free of harmful pollutants.
People have caught up with the argument so much that they have lost sight of some of the issues surrounding air pollution.
Also if peak oil is a myth at this time, then are you of a belief that it is an infinite resource?
October 29th, 2009 at 3:03 am
1) Global warming …
1) Global warming is caused by the sun. Oil and coal are nothing more than stored solar energy. So unless you subscribe to something more…fanciful, that point is agreed upon.
2) I think peak oil will demonstrate itself to you over the next few years. The remainder, and admittedly there’s a lot of it, just gets a lot harder to extract as the easy, light sweet crude close to the surface dwindles.
Only time will tell I guess. But personally, I’ll take the precautionary principle…
October 29th, 2009 at 3:03 am
1 – man made global …
1 – man made global warming is a myth (it’s the sun)
2 – peak oil / out of supply is a myth (technology is supressed)
My beliefs can be discovered
Military Indust Fascist state wants me to believe I oppose
October 29th, 2009 at 3:03 am
intention is to …
intention is to make sure your not directing your efforts with the idea that no more oil exists. our goals may be the same even though we know different information and one set of info may be wrong though it’s practice is good.
“don’t bury your head” i agree
my two points initially were
October 29th, 2009 at 3:03 am
So then my question …
So then my question would be, what is your intention when you make the (very debatable) claim that we’re not running out of oil?
Are you encouraging people to turn a blind eye to their own bad habits? Bury their heads in the sand and wait for someone else to fix the problems? If you practice permaculture, you will quickly discover that everything western society is engaged in is utterly unsustainable. Green tech solutions even stop making sense.
Just asking you to consider your words…
October 29th, 2009 at 3:03 am
many facets of …
many facets of permaculture that are hidden from me. yes, I am new to this. I was just saying where not running out of oil, though the hands that control the oil create shortages. I am interested in permaculture because of what is going on to ecomony and agriculture.
October 29th, 2009 at 3:03 am
You’re right. …
You’re right. There is a lot of oil left on the planet, but it’s the peaking event that matters. And we’ve peaked, “for real,” dude. Why are people so blind to what’s going on? Look at the banks that require energy (economic) growth to create interest. Floundering. Insurance giants. Floundering. 15% US unemployment (stop believing the mainstream media), and gaining momentum every month.
There are facets of permaculture that are still quite hidden from you obviously. So good luck!